artistic bickering and an in depth critique
GORE says:
maybe you could enlighten me why this seems to be so popular amongst furs and other artists? This variant form of 3d art which involves nothing more than a pose, and an alteration. A shave and a hair cut, if you will.
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
It's just different
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
thats all art is, you can make the same character over and over again, but if you use imagination a pose can go along way. Thats why I put the ladies in fighting poses and portiats
GORE says:
indeed it is
GORE says:
too right
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
so, why were you so hard on me for doing something different?
GORE says:
and how do you personally go about altering the model?
GORE says:
oh I'll get to that
GORE says:
that was an anatomical issue, not an artistic issue
GORE says:
well... heh heh, maybe slightly artistic
GORE says:
I have curiosity towards your ways, I seek to have my curiousity satisfied, thats all
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just a friendly chat, brain pick, yadda yadda
GORE says:
such as your background as an artist
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
so this has nothing to do with you being an asshole?
GORE says:
why do think Im an asshole? because Im not politically correct? because Im blunt and to the point? Because I dont like to waist anyone's time, especially my own? Because Im honest ? hmmmm?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
oh no
GORE says:
look if you want to harbor a grudge about what was said about your art, by all means go ahead.
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
I like that someone is a critic of my work
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
but, don't push that "I'm better than you in so many ways" bit. I never think that someone is better in what they think is good or bad.
GORE says:
if thats how I sounded I apologize
GORE says:
its not what I objectively meant
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
yes
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
you did
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
that the only reason I've been calling you an asshole
GORE says:
look, I apologized. What more do you wish to quell this distasteful smite you have against my critique?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
Look, if you don't like my work fine, just move along. If you put your two cense in don't make it seem like your better that that person, make them judge what they think is good or bad. Thats all.
GORE says:
good and done
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I critique only in hopes of helping the artist to improve themselves
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however
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my critique stems from the teachings of my mentors
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
.......
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I went to a rather harsh school compared to most
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so unfortunately, my methods are gravely looked down upon
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
and mine my imagination, you should try that a little more
GORE says:
yours your imagination, what do you mean?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
thats my teacher and mentor
GORE says:
because we cannot hope to learn too much from ourselves
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in many instances yes we can
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
than break away from yout mentor and try something yourself
GORE says:
but in this case, come on. There is far too much distraction in the world for a normal person to sit down and thoroughly improve their artistic talents with no outisde input
GORE says:
I am in no way dependant on my mentors
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I look to them for guidance
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most everything else is my own concepts which have been molded into all they can be from the teachings
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using the techniques which have been proven to work
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
and are you proud of it?
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never
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because I know I can always do better the next time
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
thats all I wanted to know
GORE says:
I do not boast my work as superior or as work which should be looked upon for reference
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I am no master
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
nor I
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good
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but dont you see the both of us could still be improving ourselves
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
but, break free of what you think is proving and makr your on style
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
thats what I did
GORE says:
we as artists are as good as dead if we are satisfied with where we are at currently, just the same as when we dont allow the suggestions and views of outside viewers affect us
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
true
GORE says:
well if art is only seen by the artist, its just masturbation
GORE says:
it speaks nothing about your true skills if it is not seen by others
GORE says:
you could be the greatest artist in the world but if you do your art only for yourself... what kind of artist are you?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
there you do again
GORE says:
uh huh...
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I speak in metaphors and examples
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but do not terry from the subject at hand
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
look, I did this because of the way I some artists my big characters, so I did it with a spin, I put them in 3D form, and I proud of that, I know they can look better but please don't say that I just did them because I needed something to masturbate to. After I do them I put them in a folder and never see them again until someone wants to see that pic again.
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
so that comment you were so talking out of your ass.
GORE says:
duuuuude
GORE says:
I never meant you masturbated to them
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it was a metaphor
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artistic masturbation
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doing artwork only you will see and not sharing it with the world
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do you see how you can often misinterpret things I say?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
then please put it in ways that use "simple" people can understand
GORE says:
fine then, I will try to speak in ways you can better understand
((((:edit: in other words, "I will try to dumb down my speech so you as a simpleton can understand it.))))
GORE says:
so if you've done models from scratch, why wouldnt you show them to anyone?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
remember what you said about "you can do better the next time"?
GORE says:
ah, too right
GORE says:
too right
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
right
GORE says:
one more question I would of course have is your reference for anatomy?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
like were did I get the idea to make them look this way?
GORE says:
no no
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I understand the desire for them to be so enormous
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I question the placement and accuracy of the muscle structure
GORE says:
I have no problem with muscle being that big
GORE says:
but as long as their in the right place and look like they were somewhat realistically
formed, if they were to grow that big
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
hold on
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
take a look at this
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/231537/uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
first tell me the reason you hate it and the reason you "might" like it.
GORE says:
I dislike it because its too monochromatic, the colors make it look flat and I cant really rell whats going on in all that dark area. The muscles are coliding into each other because the rig obviously wasnt meant for such great distortion in the model. Her left arm looks like a fat snake with the way its turning inside of itself like that. The muscles look way too blocky to be considered at all realistic
GORE says:
now you want the, "I might like it if..."?
GORE says:
I might like it if the figure was more evenly proportioned throughout the whole body. She seems to have a tiny skeleton for such a large body. Even if thats not what you were going for, it would still look better because the rig would be more suited to the geometry. If the rig were better suited for this alteration would could get away with such dramatic poses without the muscle geometry colliding into eachother like that. I would like it better if you added more contrasting areas to the texture such as painted highlights and shadows for the specffic geometry of the muscles. I would like it better if the muscle structure was more organic looking rather than resembling that of an xmen action figure, all blocky and what not. I would like it better if the muscles were more rounded, as previously stated. The human anatomy is intraveiniously beautiful, I feel if you studied its beauty you could acurately depict it in your work and still maintain the figure you desire for your models
GORE says:
how is that
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
you know what I have to say about that
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
nobodys perfect, just like you. Stop trying to be
GORE says:
Im not trying to be perfect
GORE says:
I know what could make this look better, and I told you
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
I know
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
and all good points
GORE says:
you cant argue that implementing the techniques I suggested would NOT make the model look better
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
but remember its all in what the artists sees.
((((( it goes on and on from here, its still somewhat interesting but only for those who can appreciate such matters. I wont be at all offended if you do not wish to continue))))
GORE says:
the artist is 10 percent of the artwork
GORE says:
the viewer is the other 90
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how the viewer sees it, is what makes the art
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
wrong
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otherwise your just doing it for yourself
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and what did I say that entitles?
GORE says:
artistic masturbation
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
wrong, wrong
GORE says:
sexplain it to me then
GORE says:
why does an artist do such things only for themselves?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
You know Vincent Van Gogh right?
GORE says:
sure
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I'd love to hear your sexplanation involving him
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
I'm not saying that I'm him, but he didn't like some of his work not because of what the
people think but of what he thought.
GORE says:
look look, I understand that concept
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thats not what Im concerned about
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
so your doing your art for other people and not yourself
GORE says:
not at all
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actually, in a way yes
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I guess I am
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
see
GORE says:
I do art because I have a concept and I want to share it with the world
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
90% is the artist
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
10% is the people
GORE says:
not hardly
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sheesh
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Im talking about viewers, if no one sees your work, why do it
GORE says:
vincent van goh died in poverty because of this
GORE says:
so did many of the outside artists who did their work, just for themselves
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
I know this
GORE says:
many artists draw and paint what they want and get recognition for it, but only because they have the viewers
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
maybe because it what they saw that didn't say "This is the best I could do, for people that
love my art thank you, for people who don't that thank you also."
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
see what I mean about 90% artist and 10% viewers
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
your going be the final judge
GORE says:
I dont see what you mean
GORE says:
I think you could have expressed that concept better
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
your the person that says "this is good stuff."
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
right or wrong
GORE says:
alright
GORE says:
and how does that affect the artist in your opinion?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
make them work hard to get it better the next time, forget about what people say
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
it looks good to you share it with the world, if the world doesn't like it, so what.
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
you are your on best or worse critic
GORE says:
indeed
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however
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some people are comfortable with their style as it is
GORE says:
these are the infidels
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
to people who think that they can do better yes, but if you find that person that believes in his or her own heart the they reach their limits, I call them brave and good artist
GORE says:
you dont have a creative job at sony do you?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
I work under research and development
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
just an intern, but work my way up
GORE says:
alright, then you wouldnt realize how important it is to constant update one's skills. A
true artist, at least a working one, must always have their skills honed and sharp to deliver.
GORE says:
I have lost my touch with artistry on an independantly shallow self developement level
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like a teen drawing in his books for fun
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I dont touch on that anymore
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I come from proffessional standards so my methods might seem a little harsh or unfamiliar
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
than your one of the ones that don't have fun anymore
GORE says:
I have loads of fun
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
really
GORE says:
my fun is in 2d
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my work is in 3d
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this is how I seperate them
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but I can actually still find fun in the 3d
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
to make thing work more simple, fun and work should go hand and hand
GORE says:
if I wasnt having fun, I would have done something else in life
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
huh
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
like?
GORE says:
fuck if I know
GORE says:
something involving manual labor
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
oh well, I tried to let you see it my way, but I guess I can't break a person so firm in how
they were tought.
GORE says:
nor can I try to teach someone unfamiliar with such methods
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but seriously, what did you think of the honest and in depth critique I gave of your work?
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did you find it objective and helpful?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
I already know about everything you said about them
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
and guess what
GORE says:
so why didnt you impliment them?
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
they look good to me
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
hehehe
GORE says:
well then your art is the art of someone who does not wish to reach their optimal potential
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
plus, I've been working to fix those problem little by little before your comments.
GORE says:
either that or someone who is a terrible liar
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
no, what I said it pretty much what I've been doing
GORE says:
then your doing it only to the extent you THINK you shoudl be
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*should be
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
uhhh....if you say so
GORE says:
indeed
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enjoy yourself
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
you too
uriel_sonia@yahoo.com says:
byebye
GORE says:
farewell
((((( if someone could tell me how to hide a post behind a little preview message, that would be bossinova. I wouldnt want to ruin anyone's day now, with my large post on their friends page and all.)))))
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